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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2013, 02:17:01 pm »

When we talk about "understanding our side" what exactly do we mean by that? I don't know the East Wind community that well, aside from you East Germans. I know that the general public has little to no knowledge of what East Germany was to the cold war conflict. I am assuming that those interested in East Wind would have more of a understanding? Or am I wrong in that assumption? Would it be worth our efforts to try to come up with a brief history of how the socialist military power of East Germany came to be? Or do people think this would be too much to read that would just bore others? Maybe a video documentary format would be another possible alternative in that case... I am just brainstorming on how out introduction of the East German forces should go.

"Understanding our side" should include both a basic history of East Germany and its lifestyle.  This would go in the Training section.   The other part of that is "Understanding our side - gear".  That means, knowing what gear is worn wear, regulations and how to wear the gear.   Uniforms as well so that once at the event people know exactly how things should look and work.

Also the part of history of East Germany would help others in building a first person character for when chit-chatting on the field but also if ever captured.  It will give them something to talk about and give to NATO without going off the cuff. 

For the history part I would just use a PDF document to read while the other things such as how to wear your gear, where it goes and such would be helpful as a video.
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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2013, 03:30:00 pm »

When we talk about "understanding our side" what exactly do we mean by that? I don't know the East Wind community that well, aside from you East Germans. I know that the general public has little to no knowledge of what East Germany was to the cold war conflict. I am assuming that those interested in East Wind would have more of a understanding? Or am I wrong in that assumption? Would it be worth our efforts to try to come up with a brief history of how the socialist military power of East Germany came to be? Or do people think this would be too much to read that would just bore others? Maybe a video documentary format would be another possible alternative in that case... I am just brainstorming on how out introduction of the East German forces should go.

"Understanding our side" should include both a basic history of East Germany and its lifestyle.  This would go in the Training section.   The other part of that is "Understanding our side - gear".  That means, knowing what gear is worn wear, regulations and how to wear the gear.   Uniforms as well so that once at the event people know exactly how things should look and work.

Also the part of history of East Germany would help others in building a first person character for when chit-chatting on the field but also if ever captured.  It will give them something to talk about and give to NATO without going off the cuff.  

For the history part I would just use a PDF document to read while the other things such as how to wear your gear, where it goes and such would be helpful as a video.

As a reenactor, I can attest to this adding a lot to an event. It isn't usually done, but when done right, it's a lot of fun. Designing a persona is both entertaining and educational in its own right, a lot of research is required between picking a home town, what you expect to do in the future, a political stance and even a family history. I think a basic knowledge of the situation in East Germany and how they felt about the rest of the world, their government, the various and the life of the average East German would be really cool to try and have. Having authentic equipment is great, having an authentic attitude completes the picture Smiley.
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2013, 03:46:48 pm »

Also please remember some of these things are for add-on purposes.  The main goal is to improve the "required items" list and explanation.

The first person stuff and other training is add-on fluff that just adds to the whole event.  You need to complete all the required stuff before working on the fluff.
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2013, 10:13:02 am »

well maybe i'll save the fluff for a training event this summer or something then. it's still fridgidly cold up here but tomorrow is supposed to be more like spring so i will hope to start photographing then.
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2013, 10:22:52 am »

Bring it on, if you can write stuff up we can convert it to a PDF and put it inside the training section.
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2013, 06:17:09 pm »

I see that the East German page has been split, but I think the lists need a tad more change. As it stands the lists are identical besides:
Assault packs: 1 Grenzer, 2 MotSchutz
Assault pack straps: 5 Grenz, 3 MotSchutz
Weapon: EG Grenz, AKM or EG MotSchutz
Canteens: Non-UTV for Grenzers

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Add to both Lists:
3rd uniform at top of recommended list
esbit stove added to triox fuel line

Add to Grenzer list:
Grenzer Bag as Recommended Item for Postenfuhrer/Section leadership
Add Soviet/EG Officer Rain cape to required list
Move zelt to recommended (?)
Removal of gas mask bag from web gear set list

I think the motSchutz list is fine besides what's listed above, but someone else may want to chime in
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2013, 07:04:17 pm »

Still a work in progress but some things are staying required and recommended to keep the East German group requirements similar.
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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 08:05:34 pm »

Quick question on the 'Grenzer Bag'. I haven't found any photo evidence of it just yet, and several other places Ive looked seem to ID it as an EG Flare bag. Anyone got literature on this?
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2013, 05:45:51 am »

That was it's purpose, it carried 7-8 hand flares while in the country, or flare pistol flares in urban areas. According to "Trainer", a vet on the WA forum, they carried "yellow 1-star, Green 3-star and Red 3-star flares".


Interestingly enough on page three he says he never saw the type we've got, so the mystery deepens.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=577793&page=1

The thread this all came from.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2013, 06:04:47 am »

That has to be a IMG-K (RPK) pouch for those flares.   I used every pouch I had except the 40rd one to see if the flares would fit and they are stuck out to where I could not close the flap.  I have copies of the EG flares both large and small.
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2013, 03:19:39 pm »

that looks like a IMG K pouch for sure.
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2013, 09:44:22 pm »

Yep.  The "flare pouch" I have at home only has two pockets, with the little divider that doesn't go all the way to the bottom.  It also divides the pouch into 1/3 -2/3s kind of like a gas mask bag.
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2013, 11:10:23 pm »

I thought that was an imgk pouch....

Sooo is the jury still out on this one then? Or were the Grenzers just the only ones who carried flares...
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2013, 01:43:39 am »

The pouch I have is widely touted as a flare pouch.  The one pictured above is different from mine.

The real question is:
Do we have real flares?  If not, then this is an immersion thing and we might as well be authentic if possible.
If we do, then it matters very little who used which pouch, because we will be using the flares and need a way to carry them.  Soldiers the world over always are short the things they need.
This is especially true for us now.  Function before form at EW.

Not trying to stifle the discussion at all because I never did get good answers on my pouch.  Others collectors just told me what it was, and I had to take their word for it.
I bring it up because (in the past) these discussions lead to us NOT using a piece of equipment because its not right.  Players fail to bring the item to the event. 
So instead of using a decent stand in, we do without. 
Heck I get into real firefights, and can't get the stuff I need through the Army systems... let alone trying to do it in a failing communist economy!
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2013, 07:05:06 am »

There are two seperate pouches.... one a flare gun pouch with loops for cartridges and the other a shoulder bag.

Personally I do not believe this bag was a pure built grenzer item.   It seems like it was more just a satchle that did some things very well.  The divider is set perfectly so that a pair of East German binos fit in the large half great.  The other side, the small section, fits the Grenzer hand held radio perfectly as well.   Almost always this was worn with a leather strap.   Also the flares fit good in both sections if using the top most closure tab, the smaller flares work as well with the bottom tab.   

Now, personally I dont care who gets it or brings it.   Just like we did this year, even though their is evidence of use of two mag pouches by Grenzers not everyone did it.  This year 1 in 6 Grenzers did this and it looked good.


Final note, the site Tascabe listed not to long ago on here had for sale the "grenzer bag" but in effect labeled it as a "engineering tool bag" which may be its true purpose.  Just like Stagg said, it could be that some guy figured they work well thne went with it.
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