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Title: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: nukeduster on August 16, 2016, 06:02:20 pm
Having gone to two EW events now, and really gotten hooked on the way it feels, and the location, nothing else so far has compared...

I know that swayze and I'm sure others were burned out to some extent with how much it took to coordinate, but if it were toned down further, is it conceivable to get it restarted, even if it were closer to its EW1 roots than the big fancy setups we had at 7/8?

Even if it were more coordination with more people, more time commitment within the days prior/following the event, or even (much) more much money?

We have a group of about 15 of us in Arizona, about 5 of whom are geared up for BW and about 10 geared up for Soviets. Most have prior or current military or tactical LE experience, and many have experience hosting events.

How much desire is there to get something going, even if it weren't to the full scale (in terms of equipment) that EW had become?

Is there already such a beast that we don't know about?


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Master Chef on August 16, 2016, 06:28:47 pm
A lot of us eastwind types have been involved in the central war gaming events:
Centralwar.com
Centralwargaming.blogspot.com
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643412419280372&tsid=0.753275779747387&source=typeahead

The central war stuff is closer to the early and pre-eastwind games in that it is a focus on bushcraft, small unit leadership and other lightfighter stuff. Little infrastructure that requires set up or tear down is the name of the game right now.


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Lift Kit on August 17, 2016, 12:19:50 am
With 15 people already kitted out you might just want to start something similar and run with it.  I'm sure you'd have a lot of Eastwinders looking to join that.  I'd be happy to fly or drive down (being closer it could be more regular) and do what I could.
I had intended to try and create some interest in a similar, but shorter event up here but I got laid off, then found a new job that I've been putting a lot of time into... life got in the way.  I also am working towards attending a CW event, hopefully next year.  Of course, transitioning from GDR means all new equipment...


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Stagg on August 17, 2016, 07:07:39 pm
What would it take to restart EW?

  • Vision, Knowing what it should look like, and convincing others to adopt that exact same view.
  • Passion! Be ready to spend all your hobby-time (and then some) to make it happen.  Then pass on some of that excitement to others.
  • ACTUALLY DO IT.  Dreaming will not do the work


EW didn't end just because of money, time, burning-out, lack of attendance in numbers, or any other small issue of supply.  EW never had those things in abundance to start out!


 




Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Stagg on August 17, 2016, 07:58:46 pm
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How much desire is there to get something going, even if it weren't to the full scale (in terms of equipment) that EW had become?

Is there already such a beast that we don't know about?

YES. YES!

There is that desire, and its a strong one.
Strong enough that we have already run one game!  In the EW-like spring time.  At the DDay Park in our old stomping grounds.  For me personally, parts of it were the best times I have had in years (to include Eastwind)

Master Chef already alluded to it.   Central War Gaming (http://centralwar.com/) (CWG)
We ran a 56 hour long game In April.  "Swift Fox 16" (http://centralwargaming.blogspot.com/2016/04/photos-from-swift-fox-16.html)

There is another airsoft event coming up in October. 
We only run two a year because these are not watered down versions of Eastwind.  Instead it is all of the Eastwind field time compressed together.  We manage it so that we actually survive the weekend, but it feels an awful lot like a multiday patrol at Eastwind.
 
Here is the pitch:
CWG decided to build two complete countries from scratch. 
Using the cheapness inherent in 3rd world military budgets to mimic our own personal lack of Jet-powered helicopters.  But drawing on the "culture of excellence" needed of skilled warriors inherent in many non-aligned countries militaries.  (Think South Africa, Switzerland, Rhodeasia, and selective units in S.America for example)

This worked out excellent for several reasons:
For the people who want to get into the dirt and do soldier stuff, they don't have to become a historian or reenactor to get muddy, and shoot bodies.  Just read the little bit that we throw at you and bring your A-game.  Bring your favorite gear too!

For the folks who get really involved in the history and details.... well you had better start reading and try to keep up!  We draw on so much of the cool history of the last century for inspiration to create our "fake" countries and culture that if we are not careful wikipedia may soon mistake us for a real country that failed just recently.

And for the guys who want to out-think their opponent... well your work is cut out for you!  We have successfully created an environment where you are going to be challenged to think creatively, lead boldly, and manage your energy.  And you must do it better than the "enemy" who is doing the same all the time.  This is especially true for those who miss the challenges of being a leader at Eastwind.  It is also true for those who have tasted the challenge at MSW, or AMS games.

With no restrictions on 1980s technology ala Eastwind, you are going to see some of the really cool toys in the woods now.  Lots of Nightvision, radios, trucks, and machineguns.  You know the usual stuff.  But now there are thermal imagers catching patrols at night; vehicles with mufflers sneaking around the roads and trails; and schemes to emplace more landmines that you can shake a mine-probing stick at.

Oh, and don't forget the winter game in January that uses MILES instead of airsoft.  If you want more battlefield noise, and the dreamed of ability to make 300m shots, all while being dressed as a tree, then CWG is worth checking out. 


I would miss Eastwind more, but I am too busy with the next challenges!



Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Mercy on August 18, 2016, 04:44:12 am
I rather liked the fact that the old ass kit enforced some kind of parity.  The "arms race" of the modern games is why I avoid them. 

 


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: dirtpro on August 18, 2016, 12:44:47 pm
Never really thought about it that way...I do appreciate that 1S has equipment to draw, it's not the latest and greatest but it assuredly helps level the playing field.


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Stagg on August 18, 2016, 03:12:28 pm
Those are good points.  
Intending to point out that we collectively drag a lot of cool stuff to these games, rather than spark an arms race where the poor group gets run over by T-54s.

Of course the technology race at modern games, is hampered by the fact that all too many of the people with high-tech toys are incompetent.  Which sadly doesn't make the game any more or less playable.



Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: aswayze on August 19, 2016, 05:44:54 am
"I rather liked the fact that the old ass kit enforced some kind of parity.  The "arms race" of the modern games is why I avoid them. "

I feel the same way, which is funny since in both of our cases nobody on the "casual gaming" scene can really touch the kit we just have sitting around. 



Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Soviet_Kazimir on August 25, 2016, 11:37:55 am
My buddies from the the VA chapter of Russian Russians are doing a Soviet-Afghan game that looks interesting. We are also slowly building our numbers out here on the West coast to hopefully do some weekend games as well.

http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=34508.0

At least it's the general era.  :P


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Aladdin on August 28, 2016, 07:29:39 am
I really have no place to say anything since I've only made it to one EW, and I have yet to make it to a CWG game. 

But one thing I really liked about EW was the retro feel.  I understand how much of a pain in the ass that is as well, since the equipment is older, and has to be maintained.   

I think a cool event would be to sort of combine elements of EW with elements of CWG.  Make a fictional country in Eastern or Southern Europe that is experiencing violence between the US backed government, and pro Russian separatists.  Set it in the mid or late 90s.  Since the pro Russian separatists wouldn't be part of the Russian army the requirements could be a little more relaxed than EW.  The government forces could be part of a train and equip program in which they are given M16s or FALs or G3s or something, with the corresponding web gear.   I'm imagining something like if the US or Western powers had trained and equipped Moldovan/Georgian forces against pro Russian forces in a place like Transnistria or Abhkazia.  Also in this scenario the Russian army would not have invaded, so the pro Russians would more or less be fighting against an insurgency.  This allows for the pro Russian side to have less vehicles, since the event would be framed as a counter insurgency event versus a force on force event like EW. 

This would really be a very different event from EW, though, other than the retro theme.  CWG is a better model for maintaining the vehicles, radios, and force on force aspects of EW.  I hope to make it down for a CWG event this Spring, it looks awesome.


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: eightball on August 28, 2016, 07:45:47 am
Restarting eastwind would be a long shot.  She is all siezed up plus a missing piston.  Parts have been taken from her for other projects and now there is probably water in the transmission.  Not to mention the missing title.  I recommend buying a whole new eastwind because this one had its fun.

Maybe a newer eastwind.  Sure you will be paying it off for a long time but it will have less mechanical repairs needed and new parts available


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: dirtpro on August 28, 2016, 10:05:24 am
^

Honestly I say let EW be what it was. I would love to see more authentic wargaming/milsim events of various lengths though. Not to down CWG but the more the merrier especially if game hosts are friendly and cross-promote.


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Master Chef on August 28, 2016, 12:55:27 pm
Eastwind worked infrastructure-wise precisely because of the era and nations involved. Anything much newer is very difficult to get and very expensive. For the cost of all of the MUTTs we restored, we could have had a single Humvee.

The insurgency games sound fun on paper typically but having run games before I can tell you with 100% certainty they devolve into the insurgents being assholes and and NATO/UN/whomever guys having as much fun and being just as frustrated as the Brits did/were in North Ireland or the United States/NATO/Soviets had/are/were in Afghanistan.

I think eastwind was unique for 3 big reasons. The first being timescale- long enough for reconnaissance to matter. The second being the community that eastwind grew from, and lastly the emphasis on personal soldier skills and experiences.

There are many more beyond that but I think these are the big three after you strip away all the infrastructure, the vehicles and communication gear, the camps and cultures on both sides.


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: tascabe on August 29, 2016, 07:59:55 am
^

Honestly I say let EW be what it was. I would love to see more authentic wargaming/milsim events of various lengths though. Not to down CWG but the more the merrier especially if game hosts are friendly and cross-promote.


I think this sums it up well.


Let EW RIP - no more remakes - Hollywood has proven that to be a bust.

Would love to see more wargaming groups of all types grow again.  When airsoft milsim was strong we all fed each other - then it started fragmenting and we are at where we are today - which is not ideal.

So I say take the lessons learned from EW (and other events) and go forth and make an event that you want - you may not be huge, but you will enjoy it and it will l help the whole wargaming hobby grow and expand.


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: VancouverRifles on August 30, 2016, 12:22:07 pm
I will say that the Canadian community has grown in recent years so you're likely to have a decent number of participants from us up north is you could manage to work us in.


Title: Re: What would it take to get EW restarted?
Post by: Stagg on August 31, 2016, 05:32:39 pm
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This would really be a very different event from EW, though, other than the retro theme.  CWG is a better model for maintaining the vehicles, radios, and force on force aspects of EW.  I hope to make it down for a CWG event this Spring, it looks awesome.

We look forward to seeing you there.

As for your idea. (or anybody else)  Good for it!  In the grand scheme of things airsoft games are ridiculously easy to run.

Eastwind did not start in a vacuum. 
Brett and Allan were both running games long before EW, and they did so by stepping up and saying "I will do that" and they did it well.
One of the reasons EW ended was the lack of players, which was caused by the lack of real/useful games offered in the US.  Swayze fought the good-fight for years, and lured the best from all over.  Brett found and lured some of the very best EB people from all over.... and that pool of people just kept shrinking and shrinking.
Eastwind did not start in a vacuum, but it did end in a vacuum!

And the community will continue to shrink until more people start doing/organizing events offering
*what they want*
I recommend reading this thread. (save yourself some time and read the Aswayze posts, since the rest is mostly blather or complaining)
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=159185

I REALLY WISH SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD RUN A GOOD GAME!  So I could attend it.  As a regular player! 
It would be great.  I am totally willing to spend money on gear, or weapons, or other requirements.  As long is the game offers me a reason to go.  Travelling games are great fun, even more so with good company.


We chose to run CWG, in the manner that we did for reasons best left for another time.  That does not mean that I, or anyone else from CWG would not consider other options.  Usually it is the opposite, as we get sucked into helping out in whatever way we can.

Offer us something involving this
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpost.php?p=1840036&postcount=23
And you will have a very consistent base of players from EW vets, CWG, and the smattering of people all over the N.American continent.   If we could get a few of these types of events running then we can grow collectively.