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Title: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 28, 2013, 11:00:44 am

 2014 East Wind vehicle tour

We have been discussing this amongst ourselves for a while around here locally so I figured it is about time to actually start putting together the skeleton of an actual plan so we can work towards a common goal. 

Basic requirements: 

Cost minimized. Many of us have time to do this because we are at transition points in our lives.   I will be out of a job at the first of the year, Stagg will be out of the Army in March, Curfman will be out of school in June.  We all have a bit of a window of time to do some traveling in but will need to be cost effective while doing so. 

Infrastructure minimized Most of the vehicles we are looking at taking are smaller1/4 ton class trucks so we cannot pack along everything plus the kitchen sink.   We should be generally approaching this more as a camping/backpacking trip and not as much like a steamer voyage to India packing wise. 

Play to our strengths East Wind has each of us comfortable with nav, able to live comfortably in the woods, able to drive off road successfully, and capable of maintaining our vehicles.  Additionally, we can draw on our stocks of equipment to further the overall goals of the trip.  We have bulk water carriers, vehicle radio gear, etc.   If a vehicle needs a radio, we can just check one out.  If someone need a 5 gallon water can, we check one out. If your fuel can is a rusty old wall hanger, we can check out a scepter can.   If we want to pack along a hot lunch to a place that we cannot cook at, we can bring a mermite can with us.   

The trip is about the trip It is not about getting there, it is not about the public, it is not about education, it is not about the trucks and it is not about YOU or ME or anyone.   We should endeavor to make every part of the trip as rewarding as we can and where ever possible seek to avoid things which drain from the quality of experience.

Vehicle maintenance standards   Having a group means a certain amount of security and assistance during breakdown situations.  It does not however mean that the entire group should have to suffer spending 2 days along the side of the road in Western Kansas because you could not be bothered to do your maintenance.   Prior to step off, we will discuss the maintenance on your vehicle and immediately prior to step off we will rotate drivers and have each of our vehicles inspected by another driver to make certain that we have not forgotten or overlooked something.   We need to make sure that we are heading out for an adventure not a debacle.  No class 2 or worse leaks, no dry rotted tires, no bearings that have not been cleaned and packed recently, no unresolved electrical issues, no balky fuel pumps, windshield wipers work, all lights work etc. 
 



Basic plan as it stands right now: 

Convoy is comprised of East Wind and like minded folks with similarly capable vehicles. 

Convoy departs from Kansas City area heading west making use of US highways or state highways across Kansas towards Colorado.  Plan to sightsee along the way and make the trip as enjoyable as possible.  No need to drone down I-70 at 65 MPH for 10 hours straight.   We have all done that before and it is not much fun even when you do stop to see the 10 foot tall prairie dog and the 5 legged cow. 

Target basically the San Juan Mountains in Colorado seeking to take as many small routes or jeep trails as possible to get ourselves there once we hit the mountains. 

Plan to camp out basically every night at scattered campsites in the National Forest.  My basic rule is that if you have to pay to camp that means that enough people are around to be worth making people pay and if there are that many people around then it is not a good place to camp.   We will find fabulous back country camping spots, trust me.   Even on the way out and back we can find no cost camping at State Fishing Lakes, Wildlife areas, etc that have established no fee primitive camping facilities.   

We can either go with the every man for himself food plan or put together a meal plan that rotates cooking among the group by vehicle.  Vehicle 1 does breakfast, 2 does lunch, 3 does dinner etc and just bring along group cooking gear.   I think the second option has the most merit both cost wise and quality of food wise but I am open to suggestions. 

Route planning we will break up in phases for the movement to and from assigning a person to plot a section of the trip.  Once we are in the San Juans, we can play it more or less by ear since there are plenty of opportunities in every which direction out there.   It is expected that if you are charged with finding a route, you are not just going to do the mapquest thing.   Do some research, see what is along the way, route us someplace interesting and target some good stopping points along the way learn some of the history of the area, know what we are driving through.   I have in the past found Google Street View to be an excellent resource for figuring out what route would be more appealing to take.   

Duration wise, I am open to suggestions.  I am inclined to budget 1.5 to 2 days commute time each way for the run out and the return trip and would like to spent about 3-5 days on scene out there in the mountains.  That means we are probably looking at 6 to 9 days total time depending on individual schedule limitations.

Timing wise, judging by when trails tend to open in Colorado, we would be safest to plan to go around the first part of July.  By that time the roads/ trails should be well and truly opened and the super death mosquito swarms should have abated a bit.  I am certainly open to other suggestions as well. 


We are talking about this early.  Really early in fact.  It is important to do that because if you have a vehicle that you are working on for East Wind and you also want to go on this trip the you need to plan your maintenance and refurb work around the entire trip and not just East Wind. 


Anyone else interested besides the obvious ones? 


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 28, 2013, 11:13:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeTDtb1u08g

Video overview of some of the roads/trails in the San Juans.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Hunterm16a2 on August 28, 2013, 12:06:58 pm
I am absolutely interested. As long as it is in the summer, you can count me in.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: David on August 28, 2013, 12:15:33 pm
I plan to have everything with the deuce 120% by then anyway. It's mostly seals in various easy to work on spots. Pack bearings, flip hubs,etc. Hopefully we will have had more OT than we can handle at work so I can stash away a good chunk of traveling cash.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Abacus on August 28, 2013, 02:14:42 pm
For anyone that actually makes it to Denver, I will buy all of you your first round of drinks.  Seriously!

Otherwise, I'll just catch up with you at one of the campsites.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: daddyo on August 28, 2013, 04:36:56 pm
Totally interested. The only thing that worries me is that when I bought my Mutt it didn't have a title. Since I was only going to use it at EW, I wasn't worried about getting it inspected or licensed for on-road use. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to get a salvage title from the great state of Texas. But this plan sounds right up my alley.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: bgallion on August 28, 2013, 05:22:44 pm
I'm definitely interested pending exact time frame and total cost. But basically with my summers off, I don't see why I wouldn't be able to do it!


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Master Chef on August 28, 2013, 06:20:54 pm
Count me in.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Stagg on August 28, 2013, 06:33:54 pm
Obvious for me.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: omen on August 28, 2013, 07:42:29 pm
ditto with Stagg


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Phoenix on August 29, 2013, 01:01:27 am
I'm not sure the difference between Colorado high elevation skeeters and high elevation Oregon ones, but early July is kind of the worst time to go, if they are similar. Early August is a much better bet.

Abacus, you actually live there, what's your take on the mosquitos?

Besides that, I would absolutely love to meet you guys out there, although very likely not with my own vehicle.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 29, 2013, 05:06:18 am
 

@Phoenix: Part of it is a matter of the window of time we have available. August means another month of not getting meaningful jobs for Stagg and I and it's bumping back up on school time for Curfman and Gallion.    Good news about skeeters when you have a vehicle, you do at least have the option to locate someplace where there are fewer of them.  Higher, lower, windy, arid, etc. 

@David:  We do need to do some research prior to heading out and see which trails are going to be suitable for a deuce.  I suspect that many will be fine but some of the skinny trails with drop offs of doom and tight switchbacks you may have to detour around.   (Like Black Bear Pass)

@Switzer: First check your antique plate laws in Texas.  Here in Kansas for instance we do not need a title to get antique plates.  Just show up, get inspection, go get plates and you are off to the races.   Failing that, you can use a title service like Broadway Title and get one for a couple of hundred bucks.   Titles are hardly an issue at all once your vehicle gets over 35 years old. 

@Gallion:  Total cost we hope to keep minimized however we will need to do a fairly complete refurb on 6007 to make it ready for the trip which adds to cost throughout the year.    Good news is you had planned to do most of that anyhow.   Really just the tires are going to start adding up on you. 

@Hunter:  Are you still looking at getting one of those Romanian trucks?  That might be a fun trip to take it on as well if you have enough time to make it road ready. 



Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 29, 2013, 05:16:56 am
@Mosquitoes...  Now that I think about it, I transited Oregon on the Pacific Crest Trail in July...  The mosquitoes  didn't amount to much then compared to June in the Sierras.    I am pretty sure that one valley in the Sierras during peak mosquito season has more mosquitoes per cubic meter of air than any place in Borneo... 





Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Hunterm16a2 on August 29, 2013, 06:08:55 am

@Hunter:  Are you still looking at getting one of those Romanian trucks?  That might be a fun trip to take it on as well if you have enough time to make it road ready. 



That's the plan. This February I'll be bringing in one of those (ARO-246) and a Ural K-750 motorbike. I figure either would be a joy to bring along for the journey. :D


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Phoenix on August 29, 2013, 11:55:35 am
@Mosquitoes...  Now that I think about it, I transited Oregon on the Pacific Crest Trail in July...  The mosquitoes  didn't amount to much then compared to June in the Sierras.    I am pretty sure that one valley in the Sierras during peak mosquito season has more mosquitoes per cubic meter of air than any place in Borneo... 


Hahaha! I just remember the time I did the PCT in Oregon in July the mosquitos were easily 10x thicker than when I did it in August. When you are moving they are never a problem though, its only when you stop.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 29, 2013, 12:02:09 pm
that may be it, I am not sure I stopped much in Oregon...  Stupid ass no water havin state... 



Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Phoenix on August 29, 2013, 12:04:02 pm
that may be it, I am not sure I stopped much in Oregon...  Stupid ass no water havin state... 



Hahahaha!


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on August 29, 2013, 08:26:35 pm
This sounds like it'd be an amazing vacation!  I'll have to see what can be done regarding time off once the new fiscal year hits, but I think I get a third week of vacation next year.  The awesome thing will be if I have my Iltis by then, otherwise I'll have to consider flying down to the party :)


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Abacus on August 29, 2013, 11:33:59 pm
Mosquitoes, like water and oxygen, are a lowlander thing.  We don't do mosquitoes here.  Higher you go, the fewer bugs.  One of the things I like about living here.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: David on August 30, 2013, 07:04:26 am
Just proves that density altitude sucks for everything that flies.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 30, 2013, 07:37:26 am
I know exactly what Phoenix is talking about.   You would not believe the mosquitoes out further west.  I suspect the generally more arid climate combined with the tendency for water to, you know, sink into the ground rather than making everything a swamp probably does it more than altitude. 

Either way, good to hear we don't have to worry so much about getting sucked dry by the little devils. 



Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Hunterm16a2 on August 30, 2013, 11:20:20 am
I know exactly what Phoenix is talking about.   You would not believe the mosquitoes out further west.  I suspect the generally more arid climate combined with the tendency for water to, you know, sink into the ground rather than making everything a swamp probably does it more than altitude. 

Either way, good to hear we don't have to worry so much about getting sucked dry by the little devils. 



This is true. Where I grew up in California was only about 2,500 feet above sea level, but we virtually never had mosquitoes because there was no standing water anywhere. The surface was just too dry for em... Stupid Oklahoma... ;)


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: David on August 30, 2013, 12:42:23 pm
  I did some basic figuring for fuel. My deuce gets about 8.5 mpg with the current NDT's. The 11.00x20's will help a little. From Kansas City to San Juan County, CO is about 877 miles so we'll say 900 by the time we tour around some.

  1,800 miles at 8.5 mpg is 212 gallons. If diesel is 3.75/gal that's $795. Plus oil for the IP and injector cleaner.

  Never hurts to plan ahead. What is the milage of the MUTTs?


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 30, 2013, 03:37:43 pm
Probably want to plan on closer to an extra 100-200 miles for trail riding given that the Alpine Loop along is 70+ miles. 

Mutts should get about 15-17 MPG so figuring 2200 miles at 15 mpg we're looking at about 146 gallons of gas which is not too bad all things considered. 


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Phoenix on August 30, 2013, 11:32:18 pm
Don't forget to calculate in the difference between highway economy and off road, slogging through the fun stuff economy.

Sounds like you guys are going to want some passengers either way...


 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on August 31, 2013, 04:58:46 pm
Damnit....I knew I shouldn't have watched that video in its entirety....now I definitely have to make this trip!

For comparison to MUTTs, the Iltis gets about 6.1L/100km or 15mpg (towing) to 8.5L/100km or 20mpg (not towing).


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: David on September 04, 2013, 05:00:22 pm
We should definitely stop by Glen's in Salina to say hi.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on April 04, 2014, 06:17:30 am
Sooooo...............................is it too early to ask if this is still an idea for this year?  The new fiscal year hit for me and I'm submitting dates for my vacation.  Pending dates and costs, I would definitely like to come along whether I'm a driver, co-driver, or backseat driver.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on April 04, 2014, 06:42:51 am
More or less yes. 

Still need to get the vehicles back and start the fixing process but we're still basically on track for the idea.

6001 at least ought to be good to go, I suspect 6033 is pretty much right on the brink, 6037 needs some money thrown at it (transmission failure), I am not sure where 6007 is at on this trip.



Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Phoenix on September 02, 2014, 12:46:16 am
Did this thing happen? Pictures? :)


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: David on September 02, 2014, 03:06:54 pm
It didn't happen this time. Some of the Mutts had/have some gremlins to work out. Allan has the inside details.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on September 03, 2014, 06:46:21 am
Yep, just did not get bugs worked out in time.  Staggs still needs run of the mill maintenance plus still acts up on starting, Curfmans really just now got on the road, mine still heats up on highway runs.   Perhaps next year, I am pretty sure nobody is selling off a M151 series vehicle, they are just too much fun to run around in. :D



Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on September 03, 2014, 04:54:08 pm
This of course means all the more time to obtain our own military vehicles and have them up to snuff for the trip ;)


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mercy on September 04, 2014, 08:23:56 am
I very, very much want to do this trip with Rover next year.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Stagg on October 09, 2015, 07:15:02 pm
Where does the time go?  It has been over a year since we last looked at this post.

In that time my mutt as gotten greasier, and its once new tires are now old and worn; curfman's has gotten more body work done and is getting a new radiator; Allan's recently overheated and.... needs a look.
That said, they will inevitably bounce back better than before.

This trip was a good idea two years ago, we should start planning it for real this time.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: daddyo on October 16, 2015, 07:31:25 am
Sounds good. I hope to make some upgrades to my Mutt this winter as well. Spring/Summer could be fun.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: dirtpro on October 19, 2015, 08:52:33 am
Dang...I still haven't made any progress on a mv purchase yet :p
Maybe in another year! This sounds like a ton of fun


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on November 14, 2015, 10:10:57 am
Don't worry too much Steve, I haven't got around to purchasing my Iltis either :P  Though, depending how things go, I might be in a good place to do so come the new year.  I'll have to wait and see.

It's funny, it's been forever since I last visited the EW boards, and I just made a comment to David about this the other day.  I'm still excited at the idea and would love to see this happen, regardless whether I am driving my own vehicle or a co-driver/passenger in another.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: dirtpro on November 14, 2015, 12:43:59 pm
I hear that, I'd be more than happy to co-drive/nav for someone :)

gotta get a new daily driver....then perhaps :)


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mercy on November 16, 2015, 06:21:09 am
Well, I think I've got a mostly dirt and gravel route plotted across Kansas. It was for a motor trip and I still have to make sure there is no single track on it (I think not).


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Master Chef on February 20, 2016, 11:10:45 pm
We still talking about this any?


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on February 21, 2016, 03:56:48 pm
I am out, bigger fish to fry. 

Working on squirrelling up all my vacation time to sail the Bahamas with. 


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on June 30, 2016, 04:33:30 am
Summer of 2014 2017 convoy to Colorado trip?  ;)

I'm still very much interested in making this trip happen.  I bought a truck this year (2011 GMC Sierra) and have been pooched for time off due to a few life events happening (little sister getting married, most of my vacation time being used so I can parade with my Navy League cadets - kids aged 9-12), but I'm aiming to finally pull the trigger on an Iltis with my income tax return for 2016 (due to arrive around the beginning of March 2017).  That'll give me just enough time to get whatever needs getting fixed on it done, and set up a trailer to bring it down - I am crazy enough to drive it the entire way down, but I don't think I'll find anyone willing to co-drive with me, and I'd rather not break it from wear and tear until I'm amongst folks who can field repair everything with nothing :P

I should point out, and not too sound too weepy or nostalgic, but I miss all you fuckers.  This road trip would be an excellent way to reconnect with everyone.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: dirtpro on June 30, 2016, 08:28:51 am
Definately in too-i dont see a mv in my near future but would be more than happy to co drive


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mercy on July 11, 2016, 04:36:05 am
Still interested in doing this too.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: tascabe on July 11, 2016, 06:45:41 am
Depending on how things look by that time I might be in too.



Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mr. Ready on July 24, 2016, 02:44:43 pm
I'll go if cody goes.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Spice on July 26, 2016, 02:48:57 pm
I'm suddenly eligible to participate, although the whole getting-to-the-start-line thing is an issue as always.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Stagg on July 27, 2016, 12:59:48 pm
We are kind of going to meet in the middle though.

I still want to take a Mutt out to CA and play on the trails down there someday too, just have not made the time for it yet.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Spice on July 27, 2016, 05:12:49 pm
Yeah, that sounds like a good time.


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on July 30, 2018, 12:27:26 pm
Another necro post, sorry guys!  I finally purchased a Bombardier Iltis at the end of May 2018.  While she is in running condition, I plan on taking the winter to get her fully seaworthy.  I floated the idea of an off-road trip or two up here in Manitoba to our guys, but I'm still really interested and excited at this convoy trip (especially since I keep seeing David update with repair pics of his MUTT).


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: aswayze on August 16, 2018, 08:47:12 am
I am fresh out of useful vehicles to take but I would be game to ride along. 


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Shtirlitz on August 21, 2018, 08:56:54 am
It would need planning, but I do have an Adventure bike now. I suppose it would go anywhere where a Mutt can go. Might be an interesting trip :)


Title: Re: Summer of 2014 convoy to Colorado trip
Post by: Mordarski J.A. on August 22, 2018, 03:42:11 pm
I like your original planning Al, and I think five six years after the original post they still stand up.  Yes, the challenge would be who has vehicles and who can get the time off, but we all have passenger seats, so even those without vehicles could make the trip.  Hell, if the vehicle owners are comfortable with it, they could be co-driver's too!

So....assuming the trails in the San Juan Mountains are still open to military vehicles only....convoy 2019?  :D

And it might not be a bad idea to start listing out who has what for vehicles, and maybe radios too, so we know how many seats are available.